meesterperfect
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Yeah KF me too, The thing is its not a crime there, its condoned, accepted and enjoyed by those sub human vermin.
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Yeah KF me too, The thing is its not a crime there, its condoned, accepted and enjoyed by those sub human vermin.
Kingfisher
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Agreed.
the girl deserved it
Real nice noob. I hope your stay here is a short one.
StigHelmer
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...you should really see someone you weirdo.
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this is unbelievable.
does anyone else wonder how the hell this kind of stuff can even happen in todays world?
Why are people so afraid of sex and why are people so needlessly violent?
You know the more you immerse yourself in adult media the more you realize how depraved the rest of the world is. And then they call us "deviant."
I swear the world needs one big enema
Shit like this is the reason I Oh' Heatedly agree with invading countries that practice stone age rituals like this and rounding up and getting rid of animals like this.
We can't turn our backs on them, think of the oil:eek:
@ everyone ....
The main difference in extremely simple terms between the middle east and the west is that the middle easts acts of violence are often condoned by their extreme religion laws where as the wests act of violence are not, on the whole.
Many muslims are peace abiding humans as are christians.
er, have you heard of "The Troubles" in Northern Ireland
quoting iamforever (post22) "those people who did that deserve a hell of a lot more than a simple stoning. and i dont mean an execution."
- like what, are you suggesting some sort of state ordered torture of those responsible for her stoning; maybe flaying alive, electric shocks - no, i don't think its sensible to call for that sort of thing or any other dread punishments (two wrongs don't ... )
quoting meester perfect (post23) "Yeah KF me too, The thing is its not a crime there, its condoned, accepted and enjoyed by those sub human vermin."
so we're calling people of different races, nationalities or religion sub-human vermin now are we - nice, are you familiar with the german word untermenchen - it was used in the same sort of context, in the same kind of phrase by members of a certain nation in the past to imply a degree of racial superiority over those they considered their enemies
- my point is lets not start caling people, wherever they're from, sub-human vermin
it's clearly a tragedy what happened to that poor girl - but it wasn't carried out by every Yazidi, let alone every kurd or every iraqi so lets not condemn their whole society
- as has been previously posted, if you look throughout the history of christianity ( or just at the bible in the case of stoning ) you'll be able to find equivilents or parallels with most of the excesses that may have been committed in the name of another of the world's great religions
:2 cents:
While I may or may not agree with the rest of your post, I do agree with this bit.
No one religion, race, group of people or nationality has a "monopoly" on hatred.
Not every Tom, Dick, Harry in the US (or her government) is a crazy Christian fanatic bent on world armageddon. The US (and least of all her government) is not run by Christians (or their tenets)... despite claims by the ill-informed. The United States is not in the grasp of some weird Christian theocracy.
Not every Mohammad, Abdul, Ali in Iraq is wishing for the death or destruction of America. Iraq is certainly not being run by Islam's major tenets.
For those who claim that Islam is a "solely violent" religion "bent on world domination by the sword" - I ask of you to consider the words of Benjamin Disraeli:
cheers,
Only a marginal note:
Yezidi (or Yazidi) is not a Christian sect. It is even more different from any Christian religion than from Islam. It is a syncretistic religion with very ancient pagan sources, mixed with Persian religion and some heretic forms of Islamic mysticism. The Christian influence is debatable and if there is any, it is only indirect. The believers are not focused on worshipping God, whom they consider only as the Creator, but on worshipping the Peacock Angel (Malak Ta'us), the greatest of the seven angels who care for the world. Some more information here.
Yezidi (or Yazidi) is not a Christian sect. It is even more different from any Christian religion than from Islam. It is a syncretistic religion with very ancient pagan sources, mixed with Persian religion and some heretic forms of Islamic mysticism. The Christian influence is debatable and if there is any, it is only indirect. The believers are not focused on worshipping God, whom they consider only as the Creator, but on worshipping the Peacock Angel (Malak Ta'us), the greatest of the seven angels who care for the world. Some more information here.
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dick van cock
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Spot the difference:
Christianity has been widely secularized. Not many stonings are heard of today. The Inquisition has toned down a little bit, too.
The collective state of mind of Muslims today is comparable to Europe's history. A schism (Catholics vs.Protestants then; Shia vs. Sunni now) that spurs internal violence and religiously motivated aggression against infidels (crusades, persecution of Jews then; Djihad ever since AD 611).
After we had dramatically decimated our brethren in the 30 year war, we enjoyed the benefits of the Age of Reason: Secularism, invidual responsibility for one's actions, freedom of speech and thought.
Where do I find such achievements of communality in the Islamic world? They desperately need a Martin Luther, a Voltaire, an Emerson to end the Dark Ages we were gladly able to leave behind us. :2 cents:
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I'm speaking of the inherent nature of Islam as it presents itself today. It is a religion that is based on principles the West deems "medi-eval": Allegiance to "god" first, to the gens (family or tribe) second; no distinction between individuum and collective.
The girl was not stoned because she had to redeem herself. The poor kid died for the sake of her family's honor! And you may say that things like this happen in the American South as well... Okay, but it is not condoned by the entire community / village / town that eagerly participates.
The horrific thing about it: You cannot blame the individuals who perform these kind of atrocities. They don't know any better, they don't know anything else.
That's why I say, that Enlightenment is desperately needed for Islam. It cannot come from the outside, it must come from within.
You obviously don't like genralizations. So be it. I don't have the time for an empirical study of every Muslim there is. It is legitimate to speak of " a collective state of mind", when certain phenomena are prevalent in a particular group. The Israeli state of mind is currently anti-Olmert, the Muslim state of mind is currently incompatible with what is called "human rights".
Philbert
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Actually, once again you have made assumptions and come to conclusions without any knowledge or background.
dick van cock is neither Israeli nor Jewish, and does have a clue to the mindset of Islam and the Arab world.
Being as how you have Iranian family, an anti-American ultra liberal mindset that never changes, and no problem making statements with no background of fact other than some possible connection to something said somewhere or other by someone, I once again hope that anyone new here reads your posts realizing that you never need to research what you say, 'cause you make it up as you go along.
And I would like to hear you give some examples of "such achievements of communality in the Islamic world?" Can you point out "a Martin Luther, a Voltaire, an Emerson to end the Dark Ages we were gladly able to leave behind us?"
Islam is still basically living with 15th Century concepts, hardcore and real.
Their good days are pretty much like a movie about the Spanish Inquisition.
And that isn't somethin' I just made up...
dick van cock is neither Israeli nor Jewish, and does have a clue to the mindset of Islam and the Arab world.
Being as how you have Iranian family, an anti-American ultra liberal mindset that never changes, and no problem making statements with no background of fact other than some possible connection to something said somewhere or other by someone, I once again hope that anyone new here reads your posts realizing that you never need to research what you say, 'cause you make it up as you go along.
And I would like to hear you give some examples of "such achievements of communality in the Islamic world?" Can you point out "a Martin Luther, a Voltaire, an Emerson to end the Dark Ages we were gladly able to leave behind us?"
Islam is still basically living with 15th Century concepts, hardcore and real.
Their good days are pretty much like a movie about the Spanish Inquisition.
And that isn't somethin' I just made up...
Phil, You have to understand Islam's hardcore-ism, to understand them.
Saint Muhammad united small groups of nomads, who were basically lazy, and tried to save the society from the ravaging of the outsiders. If you look at their prayer, you will find them to be a series of physical exercises. Their basic tenet asked the followers to save guard what they have and then expand the 'faith' to others. Slowly they became united and as per the then practice, started to expand. Remember, the only outsider, Islam considered as their Saviour preceding St. Mohammad, is Isha or Jesus Christ.
The other dominant religion of that time, Christianity, saw this as a threat and thus the crusade started.
Islam was attacked too on the other side, by Buddhists & Hindus. This was basically due to Islam's expansive nature.
In modern time, the area or homeland of the Islam was found to be richest in oil. This made them a target of the entire world. Once again that basic tenet of their religion came to fore for their survival. They met aggression with aggression head on.
Now being the under-developed ones in the race, once again their religion's tenet has encouraged them to take the part where they attack the enemy with all they have and that has resulted in present-day terrorism, through their religious tenet, "Jihad". Though the basic meaning of the tenet is now being distorted by both sides.
The terrorized has resorted to terrorism.
And believe me, all of us to blame for that. We kept them isolated. Look at the pattern of their ethnic distribution, you will find, the oppressed of all the regions have turned to Islamic religion. whether it is US, UK or India or any where else.
Modern day's requirement is a unified world with a unified religion. That's how the mankind can survive.
We can not achieve that, by mud throwing and blame-gaming.
The onus is on us, lets see how we answer it. Or else, our future generation may not forgive us.
It's what I believe. Believe me, I'm no preacher. I'm a lot selfish to become one. :bowdown:
Errata of my previous post:
I missed one line here.
"The other dominant religion of that time, Christianity, another naturally expansive religion, saw this as a threat and thus the crusade started."
If you look at the real meaning of Crusade, that includes "war against pagans" and that means non-believer (of Christianity).
Once again I come back to my thread, similarity and/or dissimilarity.
I missed one line here.
"The other dominant religion of that time, Christianity, another naturally expansive religion, saw this as a threat and thus the crusade started."
If you look at the real meaning of Crusade, that includes "war against pagans" and that means non-believer (of Christianity).
Once again I come back to my thread, similarity and/or dissimilarity.
the fact is that in our society over one quarter of all women will have had to face sexual assault. To say that this country isn't anti-women is just willfull ingorance. I don't need to read the newspaper to be outraged, out of the women that I know those that haven't been the victim of assault-sexual or other, or both, are in the minority. how do you think that makes me feel? how I am supposed to live with that?
Philbert
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I know this, I don't disagree with your basic concept; however, I do see a glaring weakness in this outlook...
you mix hundreds of years ago with today and seem to "justify" weakness of character for seemingliy ancient reasons.
Islam has kept it's populations poor through monarchy and serfdom...the leaders live in Rome, Paris, Copenhagen, New York in opulent decadence and the populations have been kept in poverty enslaved to a religion that controls every aspect of life...and any real deviation or enlightened attempts at bringing Islam into the 21st Century is met with real time death, beatings, and crushing disapproval.
In L.A. there are men and women living lifestyles obnoxious to many religious communities; yet we as a society protect them and allow them secular freedom.
If you convert from Islam to any other religion, you can well be charged under law and put to death; no one will be arrested for beating you or your family. They have not moved on from the Crusades, we in the rest of the world have left the 15th Century and are striving collectively to live together in a modern world.
So, what I see is a disingenuous trend to justify selfish, self centered actions on matters of freedom and self determination by pointing to history, or the "right" of evil to practice uninterrupted under cover of the system of respect the modern world tries to exist under, however imperfectly.
I will always refuse to respect the right of a father to beat to death a child for whatever reason, or welcome into my "home" someone who insists on his right to continue living in a system of degradation and virtual enslavement.
Islam may have a lot of adherents, but there is no real world excuse for their brand of terrorism or religious enslavement.
And I believe history has no place for modern day Islam, if it can't change to fit an evolving world it will lose it's power and be replaced.
IMHO, the sooner the better...
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