UK : great election victory for the Conservatives

[SabrinaDeep]

The dangers to journalists in Russia have been well known since the early 1990s, but concern at the number of unsolved killings soared after Anna Politkovskaya's murder in Moscow on 7 October 2006. While international monitors spoke of several dozen deaths, some sources within Russia talked of over two hundred fatalities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#2012

I wonder how one might react to such numbers if they were being produced in their own back yard; like in Spain, for instance.

forbes.com
As the murders of Russian journalists go unsolved, there are increasing signs that the impunity of Russia’s contract killers is not accidental. One reason for the lack of progress may be that the law enforcement organs that are responsible for investigating the murders of Russian journalists are actually involved in carrying them out.

The involvement of law enforcement officers in contract killings should be a momentous scandal, but the elimination of independent centers of power in Russia under Prime Minister (and former president) Vladimir Putin has created a situation in which the organs of law enforcement are integrated into the corrupt oligarchies that run the country. When the interests of those oligarchies are threatened by independent reporting, law enforcement is unable to restrain corrupt interests and is often in league with them. As a result, contract killers function as the ultimate censors.

Oh that's just silly. Pure speculation and hyperbole. I'm sure the stunning epidemic of journalist deaths under Putin in Russia has nothing to do with him at all :angels:

Probably the Russian people are just driven into a murderous rage when their paper boys deliver to the wrong address

Here another mystifier...welcome!
While you are here could you please tell me:

1) Where do i mention hundreds of journalists.
2) Where do i mention that Putin is absolutely not connected with any of the journalists deaths.
3) Where do i mention journalists at all.

Now, since i just mentioned Politkovskaya and i simply contested the sentence absolutely sure about Putin being behind her killing, you can, please, gently go fuck yourself.

About my backyard in Spain, i'm real glad that over here neither hundreds of journalists get killed, nor Spanish citizens are killed in Spanish soil by drones remotely controlled by the Prime Minister. Now, the second is an absolute fact happening in your backyard, that's for sure.

Amen.

 

[Straight Shooter]

That accent though......

 

[Rattrap]

Let me just skip this whole thread about Russia to talk about the UK for a moment...

I'm disappointed in the election results. There seemed to be some real momentum for change (I say this not having lived in the UK for almost three years now, so my perspective here is unfortunately purely media-filtered) - I would've loved to see Greens grow substantially and even UKIP actually take a few seats from the Tories. Not because I like UKIP - because I don't, at all, and I wouldn't want them to pick up any significant number of seats where they had any power - but because that sort of message is the only meaningful one voters can send to the establishment powers. Anything else just means 'carry on'.

Alas, instead they've opted for business as usual. The richer get richer, governments grow fatter, everybody else gets screwed just a little more day by day. It's a shame I've been outside of the country too long to vote.

 

[larss]

Actually, part of the process is to make the government slimmer as they have done over the past 5 years.
The UK is now one of the fastest growing economies in the world. There have been more new jobs created in the UK (1.9million) than the rest of the EU put together.
No one likes cuts but the welfare budget had been growing uninhibited under the previous labour government and had to be reigned in.
Labour spent and borrowed too much. We are still spending and borrowing too much but at least it is being brought under control.

People who are working pay taxes (unless they are not earning enough to pay tax) people on welfare do not pay taxes and and are paid for by those paying taxes. Therefore if you have more people working, there is more tax revenue and less being paid out.
No other party had a decent plan for continuing to grow the economy and get people working.
I was watching Nicola Sturgeon (the leader of the Scottish National Party) yesterday morning on the Andrew Marr show. Her idea of stimulating the economy was to raise business taxation, raise welfare payments and raise the minimum wage. In what possible way would that stimulate the economy? Personally, I see a bit of a flaw in that logic, in that if you raise business taxes, businesses will have less money to pay for employees and will have a harder time growing and those taxes raised will be given to people who are not working.

 

[Jack Davenport]

Actually, part of the process is to make the government slimmer as they have done over the past 5 years.
The UK is now one of the fastest growing economies in the world. There have been more new jobs created in the UK (1.9million) than the rest of the EU put together.
No one likes cuts but the welfare budget had been growing uninhibited under the previous labour government and had to be reigned in.
Labour spent and borrowed too much. We are still spending and borrowing too much but at least it is being brought under control.

People who are working pay taxes (unless they are not earning enough to pay tax) people on welfare do not pay taxes and and are paid for by those paying taxes. Therefore if you have more people working, there is more tax revenue and less being paid out.
No other party had a decent plan for continuing to grow the economy and get people working.
I was watching Nicola Sturgeon (the leader of the Scottish National Party) yesterday morning on the Andrew Marr show. Her idea of stimulating the economy was to raise business taxation, raise welfare payments and raise the minimum wage. In what possible way would that stimulate the economy? Personally, I see a bit of a flaw in that logic, in that if you raise business taxes, businesses will have less money to pay for employees and will have a harder time growing and those taxes raised will be given to people who are not working.

I hate to tell you this, but you sound like what is known over here as a conservative Republican. I am sure that I just made your day

 

[larss]

I hate to tell you this, but you sound like what is known over here as a conservative Republican. I am sure that I just made your day

I'm not actually that right wing, I just want to see the country healthy and able to support those in our society that cannot support themselves through no fault of their own.
There are certain areas where there must categorically not be any cuts and in fact should have more funds - NHS and Education being at the forefront of this but even these must be fiscally responsible.

 

[Straight Shooter]

I'm not actually that right wing, I just want to see the country healthy and able to support those in our society that cannot support themselves through no fault of their own.
There are certain areas where there must categorically not be any cuts and in fact should have more funds - NHS and Education being at the forefront of this but even these must be fiscally responsible.

If you're a Republican in the U.S, you'd vote for the Conservative party in the U.K. The two parties are very similar, they're both conservative. The one big difference between the two is that the Conservatives support gay marriage while the Republicans don't. Cameron was bold to come out in support of gay marriage saying "so I support gay marriage because I am a Conservative." Never in a million years could I see Boehner or McConnell making that statement

 

[Deepcover]

Absolutely sure that Putin is behind Politkovskaya's killing? Wow guys! Good for you! Mind to share some evidence, please? I'm sure CIA and not only would cover you in gold.

I don't believe Putin had anything to do with the death of Politkovskaya but a lot of ppl around the world do.

 

[Rattrap]

Actually, part of the process is to make the government slimmer as they have done over the past 5 years.
The UK is now one of the fastest growing economies in the world. There have been more new jobs created in the UK (1.9million) than the rest of the EU put together.
No one likes cuts but the welfare budget had been growing uninhibited under the previous labour government and had to be reigned in.
Labour spent and borrowed too much. We are still spending and borrowing too much but at least it is being brought under control.

Sources man, sources. I've long since stopped taking anything in a forum at face value. The numbers I've seen (and admittedly I didn't look long or hard) don't show the UK doing anything special that most of northern Europe isn't also doing post-worldwide recession. Even that jobs number looked very different when shown per capita.

People who are working pay taxes (unless they are not earning enough to pay tax) people on welfare do not pay taxes and and are paid for by those paying taxes. Therefore if you have more people working, there is more tax revenue and less being paid out.
No other party had a decent plan for continuing to grow the economy and get people working.

Was it really 'no other party', or just not Labor? I'd buy the latter. The former is a tougher sell.

If you're a Republican in the U.S, you'd vote for the Conservative party in the U.K. The two parties are very similar, they're both conservative. The one big difference between the two is that the Conservatives support gay marriage while the Republicans don't. Cameron was bold to come out in support of gay marriage saying "so I support gay marriage because I am a Conservative." Never in a million years could I see Boehner or McConnell making that statement

It was an amazing breath of fresh air to vote in an election (UK 2010) where religion wasn't choke-holding everything. It didn't even come up. I'd like to say that while the Tories are to the right like Republicans, they're less authoritarian, but just because they're less so where religion is concerned doesn't mean they aren't plenty elsewhere.

http://politicalcompass.org/uk2015