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American Police Are Inadequately Trained​


Police in the United States receive less initial training than their counterparts in other rich countries—about five months in a classroom and another three or so months in the field, on average. Many European nations, meanwhile, have something more akin to police universities, which can take three or four years to complete. European countries also have national standards for various elements of a police officer’s job—such as how to search a car and when to use a baton. The U.S. does no
The 18,000 police departments in the U.S. each have their own rules and requirements. But although police reform is a contentious subject, the inadequacy of the current training provides a rare point of relative consensus: “Police officers, police chiefs, and everyone agree that we do not get enough training in a myriad of fields,” Dennis Slocumb, the legislative director of the International Union of Police Associations, told me.

Small police departments are already straining to provide officer training for just a few months, and might struggle to extend that initial training period, much less provide the ongoing education and refreshers that some experts recommend. Additional training would require devoting more funding to policing, at a moment when activists are calling to defund the police.

The mix of instruction given in police academies speaks volumes about their priorities. The median police recruit receives eight hours of de-escalation training, compared with 58 hours of training in firearms, according to the Police Executive Research Forum, a think tank for police executives. But despite the initial focus on firearms, American police don’t receive much ongoing weapons training, either. Slocumb said that when he was an officer in the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department, pistol requalification went from happening once every 30 days to four times a year, and then to three times a year. “That’s not because the sheriff or anyone else wants us to become less proficient,” he said. “It’s just a financial consideration.”

Rosa Brooks, a Georgetown University law professor, trained as a reserve police officer in Washington, D.C, while writing a book. After the first few weeks of firearms training in the academy, Brooks said, “twice a year you have to requalify, and you get some little refresher training, which usually consists of a bored instructor going through some PowerPoint slides. And he’s like, ‘Okay, you guys know this stuff. Okay? Good.’”

American police training resembles military training—“polish your boots, do push-ups, speak when you’re spoken to,” Brooks told me. In an article for The Atlantic last year, she described practicing drills and standing at attention when senior officers entered the room. “I don’t think I’ve been yelled at as much since high-school gym class more than three decades ago,” she wrote. Reformers worry that this type of training teaches recruits that the world runs on strict power hierarchies, and that anything short of perfect compliance should be met with force and anger.

Though he generally agrees with the push toward less militaristic police academies, Slocumb thinks the stress of military-style drills can be a useful proving ground for new officers. “You don’t want the first time that you have to make a decision while people are screaming in your face to be out in someone’s living room,” he told me. “It needs to be something you’ve been accustomed to during training.”

Many policing experts recommend that officers be trained to slow down when they are able to do so, giving themselves time to decide the best course of action. “Police are taught in the academy [that] police always have to win,” says Chuck Wexler, the executive director of the Police Executive Research Forum. But sometimes it’s okay not to win, particularly if it means saving a life.

“So many of these bad cases are a result of an officer incorrectly perceiving a threat,” says Sue Rahr, the former sheriff of King County, Washington, who now serves as an adviser to police-reform organizations. Rahr has developed a method to train recruits to be courteous, show empathy, explain their actions, and preserve everyone’s dignity. Police should be trained “to be sympathetic, to be guardians, rather than warriors,” Wexler says.

That might mean adding new subjects to the curriculum. Few American officers receive much education about the history of policing or the role of police in a democratic society. “The officer coming out of one of the European training programs, he’s much more likely to have a much broader perspective on what the job is, what your role is, what your society is like, how do you fit into it,” says David Harris, a law professor at the University of Pittsburgh. “Those things are just not really part of what’s going on in most American police-training programs.”

American police academies are also light on training in “soft skills,” such as how to communicate or use emotional intelligence to see a situation clearly. “We didn’t talk about any of what you might call the big issues in policing: race and policing, policing and excessive force, what is good policing?” Brooks said. (The D.C. Metropolitan Police Department’s curriculum has been updated since Brooks’s 2016 training and “now includes these areas,” according to a police spokesperson.)

American cops are poorly prepared for trauma on the job, too: They get just six hours of training in stress management, compared with 25 hours in report-writing, according to a 2016 study by the U.S. Department of Justice.

And after officers graduate from police academies, such deficits in their training are difficult to make up. “Once a person is out, and picks up habits and gets acculturated, it becomes harder to change directions,” Harris says. “How do you shift their worldview and their way of doing the job that they’ve been in already?”

New officers are often paired with field-training officers, but many of those officers learned the wrong techniques themselves, and are passing them along to their trainees. Derek Chauvin, who was convicted on Tuesday of murder, was acting as a field-training officer when he killed George Floyd. Kim Potter, who shouted “Taser! Taser! Taser!” before fatally shooting Daunte Wright with her pistol last week, was also acting as a field-training officer at the time.

The Marshall Project recently looked at 10 big-city police departments and found that most allow officers who have faced allegations of aggressive behavior to become trainers; one academic study found that officers whose trainers had a history of citizen complaints were more likely to draw complaints themselves in their first two years on the job.

Better training alone can’t solve every problem with American policing. But because officers are licensed to use force against their fellow citizens, they should at least be equipped to use it wisely.


It takes less than two years to become a cop. Less than two years to carry a gun and have the ability to take a life. It takes a person seven years just to become a lawyer. When it comes to cops in this country we're really scraping at the bottom of the barrel and it's really showing
 
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Theopolis Q. Hossenffer

Every Nation Needs a God-Emperor!
Ace is right People kill. The issue is Guns make it so much easier. People have used all sorts of things to kill for a multitude of reasons or no reason at all. Controlling guns would make it less easy to kill so many so fast. Then back to swords, knives, rocks, what have you. Reduces "Collateral damage" if you care about that sort of thing. And you don't have to aim a rock, just get CLOSE and swing. And forcing people planning to commit suicide by making it harder is not a bad thing.
 
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Little Red Wagon Repairman

Step in my shop and I'll fix yours too.
Trying to picture what swashbuckling looks like in the inner-city. Zorro is gangsta AF.

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gmase

Nattering Nabob of Negativism
Ace is right People kill. The issue is Guns make it so much easier. People have used all sorts of things to kill for a multitude of reasons or no reason at all. Controlling guns would make it less easy to kill so many so fast. Then back to swords, knives, rocks, what have you. Reduces "Collateral damage" if you care about that sort of thing. And you don't have to aim a rock, just get CLOSE and swing. And forcing people planning to commit suicide by making it harder is not a bad thing.
Stop making sense @bubb. You're trampling someone's hobby.
 

gmase

Nattering Nabob of Negativism
It takes less than two years to become a cop. Less than two years to carry a gun and have the ability to take a life. It takes a person seven years just to become a lawyer. When it comes to cops in this country we're really scraping at the bottom of the barrel and it's really showing
I realize hours and days is much less than two years, but that is how long is takes for a non-officer to carry a gun. No training required.
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
Oh fuck off. You want to know why we have the problem we have now with cops acting like an occupying force. It's because of clowns like Dave Grossman.

I was going to post this, but you beat me to it. Reposting for great justice. Fuck a bunch of incompetent ass mf'er cops.

 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
Oh fuck off. You want to know why we have the problem we have now with cops acting like an occupying force. It's because of clowns like Dave Grossman.

Where's that hostility coming from? I clearly stated that there was a lack of training in this instance and that there was a pretty big fuckup and she should be punished. Just administratively and professionally not necessarily judicially. That's not an extreme opinion but rather a measured one.

And I stressed that lack of training was the root.
 

gmase

Nattering Nabob of Negativism
We don't know if it's training or something else. You posit the statement like it is a fact, but it is only your opinion. Maybe she was just having a bad day?
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
No. Everyone I know in law enforcement that I've discussed this with have said it is clearly a lack of training. When I train I purposefully make it more difficult to accomplish every task. That way when things inevitably go wrong in the real world I won't rely on one solution.
The female officer didn't know the difference between her service piece and a taser. When you look down the sights of a taser you can see the bright yellow rails and the housing for the taser prongs. It weighs differently than a pistol. Its grips feel different than a pistol.
Even with the adrenaline pumping and the chaotic action of the stop she could have composed herself and made sure she wasn't about to make a mistake like shooting Saint Daunte.
 

gmase

Nattering Nabob of Negativism
Even with the adrenaline pumping and the chaotic action of the stop she could have composed herself and made sure she wasn't about to make a mistake like shooting Saint Daunte.
Duante was no saint and should be in jail - not dead. And, yes, she should have composed herself.
 
We don't know if it's training or something else. You posit the statement like it is a fact, but it is only your opinion. Maybe she was just having a bad day?
As we all know, that's always something law enforcement is sympathetic with...

Duante was no saint and should be in jail - not dead. And, yes, she should have composed herself.
I would really like some sort of distinction between him and those like Castile and Taylor, who literally did nothing wrong. None of these people deserved to die, but the latter are those who really should be held up as defining the cause.
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
You are right, they don't kill anyone until someone pulls the trigger. As Republican LA senator John Kennedy said, "We have an idiot control problem." Is it easier to control the idiots or the object?

I won't ask why you feel the need to have one on your nightstand.
I really wanted to answer "I have black and Latino neighbors," but that's not true.

It's been my habit for thirty years and no amount of cajoling or word salad is going to change that. I should have clarified by stating it's in a biometric lockbox on my nightstand but still loaded.
 

gmase

Nattering Nabob of Negativism
I really wanted to answer "I have black and Latino neighbors," but that's not true.

It's been my habit for thirty years and no amount of cajoling or word salad is going to change that. I should have clarified by stating it's in a biometric lockbox on my nightstand but still loaded.
I have no desire to change your habit. Just saying that if I needed a gun next to me, I would personally go elsewhere. Personal preferences will vary. The primary noises I hear overnight come from coyotes, dogs, owls and other birds at sunrise. No gun needed.
 

thanksimout

Loves the double vag
Question, What responsibility did Daunte Wright play in his own death ? Is he completely blameless ? I am not justifying the officers actions she was 100 % in the wrong, but does that make Mr. Wright 100 % without responsibility for his actions ?
 

gmase

Nattering Nabob of Negativism
Question, What responsibility did Daunte Wright play in his own death ? Is he completely blameless ? I am not justifying the officers actions she was 100 % in the wrong, but does that make Mr. Wright 100 % without responsibility for his actions ?
0%. I think it's been fairly covered in the prior posts here.
 

thanksimout

Loves the double vag
0%. I think it's been fairly covered in the prior posts here.
I find that interesting gmase, I'm not sure I agree with the concept that our actions born of our own free will have zero consequences of responsibility.

Of course I admit I can be wrong here I have no monopoly on the "truth".

It seems that we can all agree that the police officer was 100 % in the wrong. Am I wrong in thinking and this is a legitimate question here...

If Mr. Wright had not resisted arrest he'd probably still be alive and therefore bears some responsibility for his death?

I'm not trying to shit post or be pointlessly provocative I am genuinely trying to understand.

I'm off for the night I'll check back tomorrow. Steve don't ban me for asking a legit question.
 

gmase

Nattering Nabob of Negativism
I find that interesting gmase, I'm not sure I agree with the concept that our actions born of our own free will have zero consequences of responsibility.

Of course I admit I can be wrong here I have no monopoly on the "truth".

It seems that we can all agree that the police officer was 100 % in the wrong. Am I wrong in thinking and this is a legitimate question here...

If Mr. Wright had not resisted arrest he'd probably still be alive and therefore bears some responsibility for his death?

I'm not trying to shit post or be pointlessly provocative I am genuinely trying to understand.

I'm off for the night I'll check back tomorrow. Steve don't ban me for asking a legit question.
Yes, it is a legitimate question. We have covered his responsibility in prior posts. Yes, if he did not run, he would not have been killed by the officer. If the officer did not fire her gun, he would be alive. The officer firing her weapon is the proximate cause of his death.
 
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