Most Republicans believe the U.S. Health Care System is the Best in the World

[HELLRAISER]

Reading the title alone made me burst out with laughter

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/pr...democrats-disagree-us-health-care-system.html

 

[darkwarrior3007]

After reading the article I've come to the conclusion that they surveyed a bunch of ostriches.

 

[Gordar]

Let them believe it if they want to... As long as they don't try to enforce it on us I'm ok with it...

 

[Facetious]

Who has better ? :jump:
I stopped reading when the article include "sicko"



I only hope that you guys get sick immediately following your destruction of the current system. Half of the doctors will either retire or relocate to Saint Thomas or some other principality where they CAN carry on with their business as usual.

So where are the discount bargain doctors of such high esteem ? Sri Lanka ? Equatorial Guinea ?.... and why should they come to America ? You have to give them an incentive !!

 

[titsrock]

^
Them, not us.

 

[Facetious]

H/C Its "so expensive" here because of malpractice / litigation abuses (thank you John Edwards !) and illegal aliens !! What do you libs want, to eat your cake too ?
....well then... reap what you sew !

 

[EwaSonnetIsGod]

The truthis we have the best healthcare...just not the best system. If you are seriously sick then theres no other place you want to be than the US, if you can afford it.

 

[Boothbabe]

The truth is we have the best healthcare...just not the best system. If you are seriously sick then theres no other place you want to be than the US, if you can afford it.

That's just your truth. Do you really think only America has good doctors?

 

[Shindekudasai]

The truthis we have the best healthcare...just not the best system. If you are seriously sick then theres no other place you want to be than the US, if you can afford it.

You obviously have never been to Germany or Japan. You don't have the best health care. One of the best, sure, but not the best one bar none. And throwing out prescriptions or tossing pills like they were candy isn't the same as having good healthcare.
For example, US hospitals may often have the most expensive (the most expensive, keep in mind, not necessarily the best) equipment, but in many cases they don't need or can't afford it. Or another example: If you compare the costs and the size of the US healtcare system and the surgical procedures that are done within in to the number of groundbreaking or progressive surgeries, you'll get a ratio beneath that of Germany for example.

And besides, if you are seriously sick then theres no other place you want to be than Germany, because you actually can afford it.

 

[Hot Mega]

You obviously have never been to Germany or Japan. You don't have the best health care. One of the best, sure, but not the best one bar none. And throwing out prescriptions or tossing pills like they were candy isn't the same as having good healthcare.
For example, US hospitals may often have the most expensive (the most expensive, keep in mind, not necessarily the best) equipment, but in many cases they don't need or can't afford it. Or another example: If you compare the costs and the size of the US healtcare system and the surgical procedures that are done within in to the number of groundbreaking or progressive surgeries, you'll get a ratio beneath that of Germany for example.

And besides, if you are seriously sick then theres no other place you want to be than Germany, because you actually can afford it.

It doesn't please me to post this but it is pretty funny and I suppose you'll like it....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcz_NHAFGS0

 

[lurkingdirk]

The truthis we have the best healthcare...just not the best system. If you are seriously sick then theres no other place you want to be than the US, if you can afford it.

no, that isn't the truth.
health care elsewhere is just as good. and a lot more available to a lot more people (not even touching on illegal immigrants, how about low income folks?).

while i have no intention to criticize, i would like to say these things, which are true IN MY OWN EXPERIENCE AND OBSERVATION (disregard them if you'd like):
1. U.S. citizens would rather pay less taxes, have the money in their pockets, and pay that same money for their own health care, thinking it gives them a choice. In fact, they have less choice about which doctor they may see, what happens with elective surgery, and they get through waiting periods slower than every system with socialised medicare THAT I HAVE ENCOUNTERED.
2. there is a tremendous fear of the word "socialised" or anything related. socialised medical coverage is the same as turning the country over to Stalin or Mussolini, in most people's (absolutely uniformed, uneducated, and incorrect) opinion.
3. the cost of malpractice insurance for American doctors is a direct result of American culture. Suck it up, you caused it. Now deal with it, and reform health care. I don't care what that reform looks like, but you can't possibly think this fucking crap is the best in the world? if you do, I hope you never get really sick, and depend on your policy to cover things.
4. this whole debate makes me sad. Are you really so hateful and malevolent that you think anyone in your country (like illegal immigrants and the poor, for example) should suffer and die with no health care available to them? Try becoming unemployed, injured, or elderly, and see if that reforms your position on health care.


this is my own opinion, not fact. flame away, i can't wait to go back to socialised medicine.



my my, i'm blathering this evening.

 

[titsrock]

^
If we don't do serious healthcare reform, we will split into 2 groups of Americans. The smaller group of wealthy people who can afford healthcare here or go abroad for it (to save costs) and the many who start to drop out of the system completely.

That's the future of America without real healthcare reform...

 

[tiger1977]

Why is it that if the gov't decided to control which tv programs we are allowed to view, everyone of us will raise immortal hell? But some people don't think twice about turning their own health & well-being over to the gov't? Do people really think that the gov't, with all their bureaucracies, will truly have the patient's best interest in mind when it comes down to healthcare? Or will they (the gov't) be thinking about where they can save a few dollars for each citizen that's using nationalized care?

 

[Flip119]

Do we need healthcare reform? Absolutely. Should we rely on our government to take control of it for us? Absolutely not!! Just look at the US Postal Service. They can't run that effectively. What makes anyone think they'll do any better with healthcare.

The cost of healthcare skyrocketed largely because the court system has allowed many settlements to be paid for enormous amounts of money on suits that should never have even seen the inside of a courtroom. Now doctors pay outrageous premiums for their insurance, order test after test that aren't really needed just to cover their own backsides. Sure, doctors are going to make mistakes, just like the rest of us do. Unfortunately for them when they do, the stakes are much, much higher. Hold them accountable when they are negligent, but otherwise understand that no one can do their job perfectly all the time.
As far as illegal immigrants go, what don't people seem to understand about the word ILLEGAL. Do I want illegal immigrants to get sick and die. Never, I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy, but why should the gov't, USING AMERICAN TAXPAYERS MONEY, foot the bill for their healthcare or anything else? All I ask is, go through the proper channels and become a LEGAL immigrant, and pull your own weight. There's plenty of room here for all of us.
My suggestion: A non-profit insurance company. As it works now, you pay your premiums to receive assistance when you need it most. Their job is to pay as little as possible if any because they're in it to make money. Eliminate that and that is one small step to lower healthcare costs.

 

[JacknCoke]

The cost of healthcare skyrocketed largely because the court system has allowed many settlements to be paid for enormous amounts of money on suits that should never have even seen the inside of a courtroom. Now doctors pay outrageous premiums for their insurance, order test after test that aren't really needed just to cover their own backsides. Sure, doctors are going to make mistakes, just like the rest of us do. Unfortunately for them when they do, the stakes are much, much higher. Hold them accountable when they are negligent, but otherwise understand that no one can do their job perfectly all the time.

So here is a little insight into why this happens:

When you file a lawsuit against someone like a doctor most people are going to come after them because it's easy to settle outside of court. Why is this?? Well rather then battle through the court system for lets say 10+ years (it's on most occasions more) and spending 10's of thousands just to battle someone else who has money its quicker and "more painless" to settle.

How about instead of forming a health care system "Like many other country" who has a "working health care system" lets make people who bring up these "class action lawsuits" pay their doctors lawyer if they lose. Oh wow you know what? In many other countries this has already been instated within their court system. What a brilliant idea maybe this will slow down all this outrageous spending on insurance and lawyers always exploiting loopholes in medicine.

Its bullshit stop all this random suing. Its starts with the courts not with the overall system. I don't trust gov't run anything. You think that this system is fighting "for the people"? You have got to be kidding. When in the last 40 years has a president and his cabinet done anything "for the people"

Flame away:thefinger

 

[Boothbabe]

Why is it that if the gov't decided to control which tv programs we are allowed to view, everyone of us will raise immortal hell? But some people don't think twice about turning their own health & well-being over to the gov't? Do people really think that the gov't, with all their bureaucracies, will truly have the patient's best interest in mind when it comes down to healthcare? Or will they (the gov't) be thinking about where they can save a few dollars for each citizen that's using nationalized care?

Private health insurance companies, just like any other company have only one goal @ the end of the day, to make more money. If you think they have your best interest @ heart you're delusional. So what do you propose?

 

[jasonk282]

Private health insurance companies, just like any other company have only one goal @ the end of the day, to make more money. If you think they have your best interest @ heart you're delusional. So what do you propose?

So if the goverment wants to save money on health care and
Private companies want to make money of health care

then we should get rid of them and no one gets health care, that way the goverment is not involved making Republicans happy and There would be no private health care making Democratcs happy, yea freeones solved another world crisis.

 

[tiger1977]

Private health insurance companies, just like any other company have only one goal @ the end of the day, to make more money. If you think they have your best interest @ heart you're delusional. So what do you propose?

I propose that I should be able to choose what tests I have my doctor run based on what I want. I do not propose that the gov't tell my doctor that he cannot perform certain tests b/c it's not cost-efficient.

And yes, companies are in business to make money. If I'm not mistaken, that's what almost all companies try to do: turn a profit. I am not blind to the fact that costs have risen and continue to do so. Nor am I saying that we do ont need some type of health reform. But putting a person's health into the hands of our gov't is absurd. If one wants the gov't to control that aspect of their life, one needs to move to France. Sure they get free healthcare. Great!! But they also pay an enormous amount of taxes too.

 

[georges]

That's just your truth. Do you really think only America has good doctors?

Well as far as I know in France, lots of good doctors and scientists leave France to have a better salary and less social taxes. And where do they go ? America. I have seen a real downfall in the quality of doctors the last 10 years. New doctors in public hospitals and clinics are mediocre and with few experience whereas in private clinics and hospitals, you have the best and the most experienced doctors hence why I would rather pay more but have top quality doctors.

 

[capricorn]

My country has a "free" healthcare system, i mean free in the sense that you don't have to pay anything, or pay very little, when you go to see a doctor. The money for such a healthcare system comes from all the people who are employed - employers are obligated to pay contributions to a joint medical fund for each employee in proportion with the salary he's giving to the employee.

The only good side of such a system is that if you get really ill and need some surgery performed on you or something, you don't have to pay enormous bills for that, you get the service for free. But you do have to wait for such a service, and sometimes for quite some time, since there are others who also need surgery and resources are limited.

So, you MUST pay for something you are not sure you'll get.

In most cases, also, the quality of the service is pretty grim. Last year I needed some medical treatment and first tried the public "free" doctors, but as it turned out solving my problem with them would take a long time and cost me a lot of nerves. So I went to a private doctor and got everything done in an instant.