GUNS: Report Links State Gun Laws to Rates of Slayings, Trafficking

[Facial_King]

Intro:
"States with lax gun laws had higher rates of handgun killings, fatal shootings of police officers, and sales of weapons that were used in crimes in other states, according to a study underwritten by a group of more than 300 U.S. mayors." (emphasis mine)

Article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/04/AR2008120403333.html


Your thoughts?

 

[meesterperfect]

Someone told me they were gonna kill me and my whole famn damily.
I told the police, they said they'd look into it.
I tried to get a gun license.
It took six months and I recieved a letter saying"try again in 6 more months".

What exactly are lax gun laws?

And, why shouild anybody care if a law biding citizen with no criminal record or mental history has a gun?

Ah forget it, I don't even want to know.

 

[Marlo Manson]

In essence the issue comes down to every states stiffness on their purchasing regulations! if they did background checks and mandated that every state initiate a law requiring any person who wants too purchase a handgun must have a permit to purchase!

For example I am buying a 9MM from my brother next week and I have too go to my city police department to pay for a background check / permit too purchase a handgun, despite the fact that I already have several handguns already! none of my obtained permits for the guns I already own, allow me too purchase the firearm I am buying next week!

So bottom line if these States, cities want too curb the illegal gun sales, have stricter purchasing laws and require that owners report stolen / lost firearms and follow the proper procedure when selling there unwanted firearms there will be a reduction in the unwanted NEGATIVE STATISTIC'S!

Why do we take the heat or the dealers take the heat when they don't have too follow any stricter rules than they do presently?? its the civilians fault, its the gun dealer fault?? if the state had the all the bases covered in the purchasing laws there fuckin NEGATIVE STATISTIC'S would go down!! like duh!! :dunno: :eek:

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Or, maybe, just maybe, instead of passing more laws to regulate, and infringe upon the rights of the LAW ABIDING, we can just quit letting the whiny liberal tree hugger's from slapping the wrists of, and making excuses for, the filthy garbage that chooses to go the way of criminal activity, and try to remember that plenty of disadvantaged people, have overcome their problems, and succeeded in the face of adversity, WITHOUT breaking the law. Perhaps if the courts, and lawyers stopped allowing this filth to plea down their crimes, these scumbags would not be allowed to see the outside of a prison ever again. I see no reason for me, as a law abiding citizen to EVER have to go to a police department, or the government and ask permission, or inform them of the fact that I will be buying any gun, new or used, I also see no reason why I should pay ANY FEE ever, above the cost of the SAME sales tax I would pay for any other purchase, with the exception of the fee I pay for my CCW license. The major flaw with that article, or any article, or poll, or survey, or statistic is very simple....CRIMES ARE COMMITTED BY CRIMINALS! Don't punish me, or any other law abiding individual for the actions of the dregs of our society, punish them, take away their civil rights, their lives, whatever you need to do, to make the world a safer place, but don't fuck me over for the so called common good of the people. I'm one of the people, and I sure as hell haven't contributed to the problem, so don't make me pay, for the lack of respect some little piece of garbage has for mankind, and the laws. They have more then enough laws on the books as it is, When I buy a gun from a dealer, he runs my info, and checks to see if I'm allowed to own a gun, if I buy from a private citizen, I exchange info, and make damn sure I know that if I ever have a problem with that gun, I can tell the authorities where it came from, and I do the same if I sell one.

 

[marquis2]

The argument that people not guns kill people is such a weak and facile argument that it hardly deserves correcting.But unfortunately many people are taken in by it when a few seconds' worth of thought show its fallacy.

If I have a flat tyre I need to raise up the car.I use a tool called a jack to do it, it makes a difficult job possible with little effort.Without a jack I wouldn't try.

Guns simply make the taking of life much easier.Therefore it happens more often.

 

[Marlo Manson]

Or, maybe, just maybe, instead of passing more laws to regulate, and infringe upon the rights of the LAW ABIDING, we can just quit letting the whiny liberal tree hugger's from slapping the wrists of, and making excuses for, the filthy garbage that chooses to go the way of criminal activity, and try to remember that plenty of disadvantaged people, have overcome their problems, and succeeded in the face of adversity, WITHOUT breaking the law. Perhaps if the courts, and lawyers stopped allowing this filth to plea down their crimes, these scumbags would not be allowed to see the outside of a prison ever again. I see no reason for me, as a law abiding citizen to EVER have to go to a police department, or the government and ask permission, or inform them of the fact that I will be buying any gun, new or used, I also see no reason why I should pay ANY FEE ever, above the cost of the SAME sales tax I would pay for any other purchase, with the exception of the fee I pay for my CCW license. The major flaw with that article, or any article, or poll, or survey, or statistic is very simple....CRIMES ARE COMMITTED BY CRIMINALS! Don't punish me, or any other law abiding individual for the actions of the dregs of our society, punish them, take away their civil rights, their lives, whatever you need to do, to make the world a safer place, but don't fuck me over for the so called common good of the people. I'm one of the people, and I sure as hell haven't contributed to the problem, so don't make me pay, for the lack of respect some little piece of garbage has for mankind, and the laws. They have more then enough laws on the books as it is, When I buy a gun from a dealer, he runs my info, and checks to see if I'm allowed to own a gun, if I buy from a private citizen, I exchange info, and make damn sure I know that if I ever have a problem with that gun, I can tell the authorities where it came from, and I do the same if I sell one.

I agree with you! trust me you think I like having to go through all that too buy a handgun! but with society the way it is, unfortunately thats the only way I see right now that will curtail the event of bad apples / secret criminal / unknown deviants from purchasing handguns? I mean its fucked up out here!! and if its not regulated by the UNCLE SAM its gonna be and get alot worse!

So if I or any other law abiding citizens wanna continue to have the right or freedom too purchase handguns, be it in a stirct manner too eliminate letting the dregs of society access from purchasing the same handguns also!?

Trust me rev. If there was another logical way, I'd love hear and ponder it? because we can't depend on the courts for shit!

They (the LAW / STATE) wanna be hard asses arresting everybody! but they don't keep there foot on the CONVICTS / FELONS / CRIMINALS THROATS IN THE COURT / PRISON SYSTEM!!! like you said they are SPIT BACK OUT INTO a law abiding SOCIETY aka victims!!! and I DON'T WANNA LOSE MY GUNS because of the BAD APPLES sort to speak?? :dunno::eek::hatsoff:

 

[Facetious]

My thoughts are that -
Local law enforcement is so overwhelmed by the amount of gang warfare going on these days, individual incidents of which involve a murder seem to just get chalked up as another one bites the dust instead of a full investigation. The rate with which murders are apprehended, tried and sentenced is near an all time low out here on the west coast.

A few hours north of here in san fran frisco, they have a highly unusual police chief, H. Fong . This is the most awkward, yet politically correct choice of a police chief that I have ever seen in my life !! The woman is a "decorated" social worker with a minor in the arts. She also hasn't qualified for sidearm pistol since she took the post.

What we need again are '50s type, jagged jaw, cigar smokin' police chiefs. !:thumbsup:
Get back down to business again.
The city of san frisco doesn't seem to ever want to follow up on it's murder cases. Stay the hell away from there because if somebody guns your ass down, there is no longer a "Harry Callahan - Homicide Detective" around within that city. I say that the city has been upended by the likes of psychopolitics i.e. fabian socialism.
Funny - I've lived about two to two and a half hours driving distance from San Franfrisco all of my life and I have only been there about, ohh . . eight - ten times. It's a picturesque city, but it's the social degradation that I will not patronize.

In closing, I see that many cities are following SF's footsteps. If the criminal element isn't pressured by police powers, chaos then ensues, legal guns or not ! :nono:

Statistics are funny in that, you can add or omit a single, seemingly meaningless, word in your search pattern and up comes an entirely different set of statistics.

 

[georges]

Personally banning guns isn't the solution. Where do most full autos equipping gangs come from? From stolen stocks and from soviet countries. Perhaps gun owners who voted for "dear Obama" should have questioned themselves before voting for him and supporting Emanuel Rahm another damn tool who is against the 2nd amendment.
Sheriff Bufford Pusser did a great job against organized crime in his state back in the 60's-70's. What do people want ? To be come victims of criminals who portray themselves as victims? Looks like USA is heading in that direction with so called promised change of "dear obama". When you are American you care for the 2nd amendment, when you don't care for the 2nd amendment and agree to screw it up, you are definitely not an American and you are not supportive of the American values.
Don't jump on me because I only expressed my honest opinion.

 

[Will E Worm]

I am with Georges.

They can try to take the weapons. But, it will not happen.

There are too many armed Americans and too many Militia groups
that will fight back and take back their government.

"You cannot invade the mainland United States.
There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."

Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto

They just don't have rifles now.

 

[D-rock]

I haven't personally looked into this study, but it doesn't seem to be done by people who are unbiased. It could also me mentioned from my experience in these types of studies, in a lot of situations with studies similar to this a lot of the poorest places in the nation also have some of the lest restrictive gun laws and it's the economic conditions a lot more than the guns that create an increase in violence, but that's just too logical for anti-gunners to ever see. As far as interstate movement of firearms, no crap, when you make your restrictions to use and the effort one has to go through to get one draconian and probably unconstitutional it's no wonder people would get them from somewhere else or even illegally.

(D-rock, patiently awaiting the day they issue state photo I.D. licenses that allow you to practice free speech.)

 

[Dawn]

I wholehearthly disagree with george and Will E argumentations to explain why it's not the solution.

But, for once, i agree with george and Will E:

Personally banning guns isn't the solution.

 

[Marlo Manson]

Obama will not ruffle any feathers when it comes to banning guns! he may try too tighten the noose on lax law states but obama doesn't want that issue too follow him into a bid for a 2nd term! not if he's a wise man, with wise advisors!

It would be very unpopular amongst the US populice too start threatening and bringing into the limelight being a BRAND NEW KIND OF PRESIDENT, the spotlight will be shining on him with no mercy!

IMO he won't and shouldn't lean on the issue very much! nor will any of the democrats who WISH guns were banished and or confiscated?? yeah right talk about a civil war / armed militia's there would be an all out civillian uprising the likes of which the Government won't, can't handle or spin into a winning scenario! *WORLD HEADLINES IN THE USA* USA TURNS MILITARY AGAINST ITS OWN POPULATION TOO SECURE AND CONFISCATE WEAPONS FROM DIEHARD WEAPONS / GUN OWNERS!

Never gonna happen!! there are too many guns in the streets too implement any law that would control or take any effect on the country because guns are in almost every home in america! I don't know the actual statistics for guns / household in the USA but I imagine its very high!!:dunno::hatsoff:

 

[Mauser98k]

I am with Georges.

They can try to take the weapons. But, it will not happen.

There are too many armed Americans and too many Militia groups
that will fight back and take back their government.

"You cannot invade the mainland United States.
There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."

Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto

They just don't have rifles now.

Wolverines!

*raises fist*

 

[LBP 76]

"You cannot invade the mainland United States.
There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."

Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto

Grass that can hide a rifle behind each blade? That is some BIG grass.

 

[Facetious]

Obama will not ruffle any feathers when it comes to banning guns! he may try too tighten the noose on lax law states but obama doesn't want that issue too follow him into a bid for a 2nd term! not if he's a wise man, with wise advisors!

Not in his first Presidential term, anyway.

 

[Marlo Manson]

Not in his first Presidential term, anyway.

Regardless if he tries or not in his 2nd term?? nobodies givin up their guns!! and I am sure come hell or high water they will have a doosey of time trying to pass any kind of legislation to ban the sale of arms!! not too mention the population is flooded with weapons that the government can't do SHIT ABOUT!!

Since the declaration of independence was written the people have a right to bear arms is NEVER gonna change in our lifetime.. if it does I will marry a goat!! :rofl2: (she's hot!! :flame << commercial!! couldn't resist!!

It would be the biggest mistake ANY president tried too change / enforce under their watch (term) Obama may talk about it, but he would be so unpopular that I don't think his name goes with repealing our right to bear arms!! he may mandate that every state has a mandatory background check and permit to purchase unless they already pocess a CCW too try and further the sale of firearms too the wrong crowd! :2 cents::hatsoff:

 

[thanksimout]

Not in his first Presidential term, anyway.

^ Kind of my thoughts as well, I am a gun owner both long and short guns and I voted for Obama yet his second term if he were to get one would be the place he would try to enforce stricter nationwide gun laws and or prohibitions.

 

[86150]

The argument that people not guns kill people is such a weak and facile argument that it hardly deserves correcting.But unfortunately many people are taken in by it when a few seconds' worth of thought show its fallacy.

If I have a flat tyre I need to raise up the car.I use a tool called a jack to do it, it makes a difficult job possible with little effort.Without a jack I wouldn't try.

Guns simply make the taking of life much easier.Therefore it happens more often.

I'm 42 and have NEVER IN MY LIFE had a gun jump out of a drawer and go shoot someone!

As far as I know, when ANY gun has been used to shoot someone, the gun was not acting alone, nor was the gun in control.

It is normally a CRIMINAL who procured his gun ILLEGALLY and used it ILLEGALLY.

GUNS do not kill people, other people do.

 

[86150]

In essence the issue comes down to every states stiffness on their purchasing regulations! if they did background checks and mandated that every state initiate a law requiring any person who wants too purchase a handgun must have a permit to purchase!

For example I am buying a 9MM from my brother next week and I have too go to my city police department to pay for a background check / permit too purchase a handgun, despite the fact that I already have several handguns already! none of my obtained permits for the guns I already own, allow me too purchase the firearm I am buying next week!

So bottom line if these States, cities want too curb the illegal gun sales, have stricter purchasing laws and require that owners report stolen / lost firearms and follow the proper procedure when selling there unwanted firearms there will be a reduction in the unwanted NEGATIVE STATISTIC'S!

Why do we take the heat or the dealers take the heat when they don't have too follow any stricter rules than they do presently?? its the civilians fault, its the gun dealer fault?? if the state had the all the bases covered in the purchasing laws there fuckin NEGATIVE STATISTIC'S would go down!! like duh!! :dunno: :eek:

Generally though, if a person is a CRIMINAL he couldn't have gotten the gun LEGALLY anyway.

If you are a convicted felon you lose several rights, including the right to Vote and the right to LEGALLY obtain firearms.

 

[Marlo Manson]

Generally though, if a person is a CRIMINAL he couldn't have gotten the gun LEGALLY anyway.

If you are a convicted felon you lose several rights, including the right to Vote and the right to LEGALLY obtain firearms.

Exactly so the Uncle Sam has too figure out a way too conrol the sale of ILLEGAL FIREARM TO CONVICTS / FELONS / CRIMINALS...etc.. but it starts with stricter purchasing laws which I am afraid is the only preventive measure too stop guns from getting into the hands of the CRIMINAL ELEMENT OF SOCIETY!!

Until Uncle Sam figures out how too get all the Criminals / Convicts / Felons who were already once incarcerated, from getting a chance of getting guns again its gonna be a circle of continuation going nowhere good!!

Either lock these FUCKTARDS up, or when a gun owner is robbed HE MUST REPORT IT!! and gun owners must be responsible and SECURE their weapons, so they don't fall into the hands of CRIMINALS!!

Any gun owner (Dealers or Civilians) found guilty of selling WEAPONS too a person without a background check / permit should be held accountable for their actions no matter how inconvieniant it is for law abiding citizens, otherwise we have the circle of going nowhere again!! :dunno::eek::hatsoff: